------------------------------------------ VOLUME 71, sent April 30, 1997 Topics in this issue: 1. Re: Artists or cultural phenomena? 2. Steve Winwood article 3. Youthful intro to Steve 4. Re: The Stones 5. Need Your Help! 6. Classic rock artists 7. Re: VH1 8. Birthday Greetings, and Mailbombing threat 9. CD singles 10. Review of last night's London show ------------------------------------------ 1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1 From: "Elena Iglio"
Subject: Re: Artists or cultural phenomena? Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 17:11:47 +0200 Never want to fight a Mason fan, but..... NO need to remind me who the Stones are. There are also mass cultural phenomena, like Madonna or Take That, not that I want to compare them to the Stones artistically, but I think they fall into this category to some extent. If you believe that selling more concert tickets or records made them better musicians than Winwood or Traffic.... well, what about the great jazzmen who, compared to rock musicians, didn't make any money? Certainly Charlie Parker didn't sell 100,000 concert tickets, but isn't he remembered and respected more than Julio Iglesias will ever be? The Stones wrote some great numbers, concede, but they didn't change the conception and history of popular music like Elvis or the Beatles. The blues was there before the Stones, and most blues singers sang, and sing, far better than Jagger.... To remain in 60's England, have you ever heard Eric Burdon? But some are lucky and some aren't...... I think their success was first due to their identification with a part of that "deviant" juvenile behaviour that defied conservative adults in the sixties in England their abuse and outrageous behavior, at least till they MEANT something, till Black and Blue, to me. Afterwards, they ended up sounding - and looking PATHETIC - especially onstage. They have already said all what they had to say after Black and Blue - with maybe the exception of EMOTIONAL RESCUE (The song, not the whole record.) I have never seen them live, apart from the R'n'R circus, but have live bootlegs and records and they play really badly. WHAT DO YOU THINK IS THE REASON FOR THEM TO GO ON IF NOT MONEY? I won't even answer about the Beatles. History speaks, and will keep on speaking itself. Or do you seriously think that they couldn't play and especially sing live? Traffic preoccupation was NEVER money - they were the only band to tour before releasing a record, like in 1974, and I think Far From Home was much more of a tribute than anything else. If Winwood wanted to make money, well, he just had to release another "Higher Love".... I have the suspicion that you want to bite back on Traffic as musicians for obvious reasons... Ah, what different would it have been with old Dave in..... Sincerely, Ellie 2*2*2*2*2*2*2*2*2*2*2*2*2 Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 13:12:09 -0400 (EDT) From: MikeW Subject: Steve Winwood article Hi! The new Mojo ( May issue) has a seven page article on Steve. Gives childhood background up to professional career. Some nice pictures, references new LP, but doesn't focus on it. Mojo is a British R&R magazine. The best one out there for my money! 3*3*3*3*3*3*3*3*3*3*3*3*3 Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 13:17:35 -0500 From: Yui-chan Subject: Youthful intro to Steve Well, first I would like to note that I may end up being one of the youngest people on the list. I am only 19 now and joined back when I was 17 around SP 12 or so. I'm currently a sophomore in college. My real intro to music came in 5th grade when two things happened. I moved from Chicago to Fort Wayne, Indiana; and I also got my first stereo alarm clock. This was 1986-87, right around the time a certain Winwood album came out, oh, what was that one called, High something or other, I can't quite recall =) I had listened to music before that, but it was always what other people were listening to, not what I choose. When I got to FtW there was a station there, 97.3 WMEE. For some reason, in addition to all the other Winwood songs, at 4 and 7 pm they would play, every day, "Valerie". In fact, when I bought _The Finer Things_ I was shocked to see that "Valerie" had come out years before all the _High Life_ things because it was played like a current single. So a nice little station introduced me to Winwood. In fact, when I think of the groups I like, they all had something up aright around '86-'87. Prince had _Sign 'O the Times_ out with "The Look" and such on it. Mellencamp (I was in Indiana, after all) had _Lonesome Jubilee_ with "Cherry Bomb" and such. REO Speedwagon had a single, "In My Dreams" out. The Moody Blues had _The Other Side of Life_ with "Your Wildest Dreams". And then, of course, the Dean for a percussion player was _Hysteria_ by Def Leppard with it's one- armed drummer. the summer of 1986 through 1987 was the time I was brought into the fandom of music and it was just a good time to be brought in. I feel sorry for the kids who started listening after I did. I mean, imagine becoming aware of music when the "best" thing out there was Nirvana or something like that. Oh, yes, and allow me to clarify what I meant by the word "angst" in previous letters. Yes, many artists have expressed a lot of different emotions, sorrow, love, joy, hate, and so on. However, I wouldn't say that Winwood has done anything angst because he does other stuff. "Angst" occurs when a person categorically denies the existence of any other emotions besides self-loathing and hate. I hear too much of that today. And for Ellie, listen to "Gimme Shelter" by the Stones, hear Keith on Guitar, hear Mick go, and you will realize that the Stone are no musical footnote to be forgotten. Footnotes don't do music like that. Eric 4*4*4*4*4*4*4*4*4*4*4*4*4 From: "Stephen MacDougall" Subject: Re: The Stones Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 15:27:15 -0400 > I always thought, and sign my opinion, that the Stones will be > forgotten or only remembered as a cultural phenomenon as opposed > to the Beatles. The Beatles and Traffic will still be remembered > in the future as True Musicians. I think that the Stones will be remembered as musicians, and as one of the more important bands in rock history. Some people want to give Clapton or the Beatles credit for introducing Americans to the blues, but I think the Stones were the first British band to not only play the blues, but they actually sounded like the blues. As a band, they may have a formula, but individually they're all quite talented musicians. Keith Richards made the rhythm guitar a respectable instrument. He also opened up countless possibilities with alternate tunings and recording techniques for many other guitarists. Charlie Watts plays jazz as a solo artist. Mick, as a solo artist, has always been on the artsy side. Mick Taylor and his successor Ron Wood are both highly respected guitarists. Ron was a member of the Jeff Beck group, and Mr. Beck is about as diverse as you can get. However, as a band, people want the Stones to sound...well, like the Stones. Also, the Stones were always more of a live band than Traffic or the Beatles. They're at their best on stage, not in the studio. Besides, what would you expect from a band named after a Muddy Waters song?? Also, not to cause a huge fight or anything, but the Stones have consistently sold out shows for the better part of 35 years. I'd say that's more than a cultural phenomenon. But Traffic didn't do too well when they played by themselves in terms of sales back in 94, and everyone knows who SW is. To me, the Stones are as much of an artistic group as Traffic and the Beatles, just in a very different way. Their art was in simulating African American music onstage. Steve MacDougall 5*5*5*5*5*5*5*5*5*5*5*5*5 From: "Angie C " (with help from BobbieG.) Subject: Need Your Help! Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 20:35:24 -0400 We are trying to get Traffic into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame. I have collected over 194 signatures which I am going to send in around June. Most of the Traffic fans out here do not have the Internet so I had to resort to a petition-like document with signatures. Here is where I thought Smiling Phases could help. Since we have already established that Steve is not eligible, perhaps they will work with Traffic. Eric Clapton is already in there twice. (Yardbirds & Cream) Steve could be in there twice, as well. Everyone said Traffic does not have a chance but are going along with me anyway. What is the harm in trying, I say. At least they'll know they have a lot of fans out here. I found an easy way to do it on the Internet. 1. Go to http://www.rockhall.com/ 2. Click on Speak Your Mind. 3. Click on Inductee Forum. The URL to get there directly is http://www.rockhall.com/HyperNews/get/forums/inductees.html 4. Click on message # 239. The URL to get there directly is http://www.rockhall.com/HyperNews/get/forums/inductees/239.html 5. Read it, and then click on Add Message at the bottom to add your comment. Thanxs and Take Care, Angie [You can also start your own message thread if you don't like mine. After step 3, just click on Add Message and follow the directions. -BG] 6*6*6*6*6*6*6*6*6*6*6*6*6 From: Winwoodie@aol.com Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 03:30:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Classic rock artists I've noticed a trend that we sometimes put down other great classic rock musicians like Capaldi, Mason, Clapton, The Artist, The Rolling Stones etc. I am pretty sure we would all agree the above are great musicians but we, the subscribers to SP, just think SW is so much better. Let's remember that most of the above artists had a profound effect on SW. The web sites for some of the other artists put down our SW as well. We all think our guy is best respectively. But someone recently (sorry I don't remember who) said that the Beatles & Traffic's music will endure the test of time. I totally agree and think that most of the Beatles & most of SW's music will be the classics of the future: kind of like the way Beethoven & Stravinsky are today. Craig 7*7*7*7*7*7*7*7*7*7*7*7*7 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 09:01:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Kathy Brooks Subject: Re: VH1 This is in response to Scott: >"What self-respecting band of today or in a 1960's scenario would >actually appear on the unhip, out-of-touch, oldies hits channel >VH1? VH1 isn't about music, it's about business and nostalgia, >and (no offense to Steve) so was the Honors concert. The best >bands out there today are probably the ones that aren't making >any videos at all." YIKES! I obviously missed that one, otherwise I would have been racing Sol to get my comments in. VH1...I SUFFER because I do not get VH1. I do get MTV - a channel that is NEVER on in my house. Why, you ask? It may portray being "hip" and "in- touch", however, I do not call their programming, which consists of 3 minutes of pernicious gangsta-rap and 10 minutes of accostive commercials, hip. I call it aggravating and condescending. I do not think that their programming is a good influence on the young minds of the world. Classic-style music, however, can be nurturing and breeds thought and creativity. Unfortunately, we are becoming a purely visual society, and therefore videos are needed to help to bring the musical ideas to the masses. Bands that are not making videos are either too unknown or too ugly. Music is a business, that can't be avoided. I'll stop WHINING now! :-) BTW, I'm 33 NOT 70 too! - Kat 8*8*8*8*8*8*8*8*8*8*8*8*8 From: "BobbieG." Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 10:44:13 -0700 Subject: Birthday Greetings, and Mailbombing threat Are you all thinking of your Birthday Greetings? I'd like some more! I've got 12 and I want AT LEAST 30. You have till May 5. A person who is no longer a Subscriber has threatened to mailbomb me over some supposed slights to Sheryl Crow in SP. I have of course informed the postmaster at his ISP and at mine. If you get any 'nastygrams' over anything you may have said, from a person whose email address starts with "ssf", please forward them to me and I will handle it from here. Thanks, and sorry, Bobbie (Like threatening to mailbomb me is going to make me think any more highly of Crow or her fans ...... sheesh.) 9*9*9*9*9*9*9*9*9*9*9*9*9 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 08:33:40 -0500 From: email@example.com (Steven Robert Seim) Subject: CD singles Regarding the CD singles that have been mentioned a few issues ago: The One and Only Man and Some Kinda Woman CD singles are available (at $3 and $7 plus shipping, respectively) from FM Singles on the Web (http://fmsingles.com/). The only downside is that they have to import them, so it takes about 3 weeks. I was also able to obtain the Here Comes a Man and Some Kinda Woman singles (at $10 each plus shipping) from Intergalactic Garage (also on the Web)--call 304-876-6818. This is a used CD store, so I might have gotten the last copies, but I'm not sure. With this store, though, you get your CDs within 2-3 days. The extra Traffic cuts on Here Comes... and Some Kinda... are definitely worth the money. I just got One and Only Man so I haven't heard Always yet. Has anyone else found any singles that are (or might be) still available? Steve Seim 10*10*10*10*10*10*10*10*10 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 15:01:13 +0000 From: Humphrey Keenlyside Subject: Review of last night's London show SW was on top form last night at his London show: the new songs came out very well, especially one with a Latin/salsa beat. They were generally of a much higher standard than those on his last album (mind you - that wouldn't be difficult!) Of the old songs, Roll With It and Higher Love were excellent. The band was top rate: brass, back-up singers, the works. Above all, his voice is still in fantastic shape - and he looked very well, too. Let's hope tapes of his club shows emerge in due course! Best Humphrey ------------------------------------------ END OF SMILING PHASES, VOL 71