------------------------------------------ VOLUME 126, sent March 12, 1998 Topics in this issue: 1. humor 2. Re: Jim's drums 3. Re: Dawn's Wish list 4. Videos 5. Red Lobster 6. Clarifying things 7. Confounded co-founders 8. Re: Dawns' Wish List ------------------------------------------ 1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1 Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 00:36:11 +0000 From: ".Patrick Spencer"
Subject: humor Just a few lines to say the last three post have been very interesting, to read fans comments regarding JC, DM and SW. I have followed Traffic in one form or another for the last thirty one years,[SDG before them] I have been lucky enough to have seen them in concert in all shapes and sizes. I went to their first public concert at the NME awards and again at Olympia in 1967 where I even let Steve, Chris and Jimi Hendricks push in front of me at the bar.[they were bigger than me then. Another story, another time.] They were taking the mick out of one another on stage. What I am trying to say is, I think Jim is having a laugh. I am sure there is a lot more to come from Steve and Jim as regards writing and performing together. As Traffic?, does it matter, as long as the music is there. I would sell my wife to see Steve, Jim, Luther Grovesenor and Mike Kelly do a gig. Humor' who mentioned Humor,[Ellie]I think she has hit the nail on the head. Check out ESPRIT MAIL ORDER for a nice 4 track cd single Keep on running. http://eil.com Asking price for a mono version of Mr Fantasy in the UK £130+P&P I might not have to sell my wife after all. Bye for now Patrick. 2*2*2*2*2*2*2*2*2*2*2*2*2 From: BalletStks Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 19:52:35 EST Subject: Re: Jim's drums Dear S. W. fans I am trying to find some info on a set of (possibly) Jim 's drums. Anyone who has any knowledge of drums, and is on this chat , please help. Thanks, Bart .Was Jim a Rogers endorsee?? 3*3*3*3*3*3*3*3*3*3*3*3*3 From: Opera nut Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 23:00:27 EST Subject: Re: Dawn's Wish list RE: Dawn's Wish List: I agree with all these suggestions. Unplugged sounds wonderful, without all the "studio glop" (great term)!! The Beatles called overproduction "Mantovanian rubbish"!! Although some subscribers are not old enough to remember the Mantovani sound of "Wall of Strings", it's sorta like Stone Age Muzak. Something done as simply as "Can't Find My Way Home" was done, would be nice. As Dawn said, not too many people, white singers, or singers, period, can hold their own against a gospel choir and Steve has as much soul as any black singer out there. Lots of gospel stuff is starting to cross over the charts. The first gospel crossover I remember was The Edwin Hawkins Singers "O Happy Day" in 1970, and now we have God's Property. And there is gospel in movies like "The Preacher's Wife" with a big name star like Whitney Houston. Her mother, Cissy Houston, is a gospel singer. Besides, soul and rock and R&B and gospel are all part of the big ball called black peoples' music in America. Just about everybody who recorded for Motown started out singing gospel, and some went back and forth between gospel and secular music. Going to a black church is like going to what is almost a rock concert on Sunday morning, or definitely Motown. There may be 45 minutes of praise music & praise dance in a 2 hour worship service. Contemporary gospel is a very creative art form. I have even sung in several gospel choirs being the only white person for miles around so I must have the moves if they let me stay!!! I am proud of having enough rhythm to keep up. I think the experience of singing in a black choir is really an honor. I don't consider myself a great crusader for integration, but it is time for white and black to "just show up" and start talking as equals. White society wants blacks to conform to their culture instead of being interested in black culture, beyond stealing musical ideas. Just showing up at a black church on a regular basis and saying "Hi!" is a big step and it has changed my life in some deep and very meaningful ways. I think it is a real shame that most white people don't seem to dig gospel, since it is very "alive" and it seems that the music business is more segregated than it was in the 60s and 70s when Top 40 radio played plenty of Motown hits. I can't think of a white artist who would sound better with a movin' and groovin' gospel choir backing him than our Steve. End of lecture. As far as duets, I haven't thought about that much. The first horrible example that comes to mind is "Ebony and Ivory".....GAKK!! Sir Paul Baby, ya didn't really mean it didja??? Thanks for the soapbox, Sharon 4*4*4*4*4*4*4*4*4*4*4*4*4 Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 12:15:37 +0900 From: Hisao Chida Subject: Videos I dropped by some used CD shops yesterday. No SW or Traffic CDs were found, but three compilation videos/laserdics called "Beat Club" series were found that include SDG/ Traffic tracks: Keep On Running, Here We Go Round the Mulberry Bush, and Evening Blue. These tracks are included in three videos separately along with tracks of other contemporary artists like the Animals, Cream, and Roxy Music. I hesitated to pay about $50 for the three tracks without knowing what the videos are like. I wonder if someone in SP has seen these? Hisao Chida / Tokyo, Japan 5*5*5*5*5*5*5*5*5*5*5*5*5 Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 22:53:49 -0500 From: Dawn Subject: Red Lobster Anyone else hear an AWFUL lot of similarities between "Gimme Some Lovin'" and the song on the new Red Lobster "Lobsterfest" commercials? The one I'm talking about aired on WNBC tv, (Channel 4 in NY), March 5th at about 10:45 p.m. Sanctioned use, or rip-off, I wonder? Better watch out! "Lobsters shriek if provoked", you know! Peace, Dawn [I haven't seen that commercial, but there's a local one here, for a casino on an Indian reservation, that doesn't just sound like the bass riff from GSL, it IS the bass riff from GSL. It really bugs me. --BG] 6*6*6*6*6*6*6*6*6*6*6*6*6 Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 00:06:01 -0500 From: Dawn Subject: Clarifying things Well, I promised myself that I wouldn't write about the Tour Wars any more. It was getting way too touchy, and I really am more "Pollyanna" than "Pollypossm", truth be told ;-). However, having a little time to think about it all, and after reading others' posts, I feel the need to clarify my opinion on the whole deal. Since we have already had our share of misunderstandings among ourselves (besides the misunderstandings going on between the Traffic boys themselves, sheesh!), please allow me to start off with several "assumptions", and forgive me if I am repeating certain aspects in the interest of clarity. 1.) Traffic was a GREAT band!!! 2a.) Steve is an absolutely remarkable talent - writing, playing, singing. From most accounts, he is also a truly nice man, polite and self-effacing. 2b.) Jim is one hell of a drummer/percussionist, and a terrific lyricist to boot. From most accounts, he is charming, warm and terribly funny. 2c.) Chris was a multi-talented musician, with eclectic interests. From accounts I've heard, he was quietly funny and introspective, with a bit of magic about him. 2d.) Dave is a really good guitarist, and has written some now classic songs. However, from the lion's share of accounts, he is rather taciturn, and a bit difficult to get to know. 3.) Gifted musicians such as these have the unique ability to touch people's emotions, souls, spirits. As has been noted, we are all HERE in this SP community because of that emotional attachment to their music. And these moments of enjoying their music are indeed "joyous journeys", as someone quipped so wonderfully in a recent post. 4.) Just because the music touches us on that deep, emotional level does not mean that we are rendered incapable of logical, independent thought. Being a "loyal fan" doesn't mean that you can't still be critical of the music, or the presentation. If you agree with the "assumptions" above, the following is what it all boils down to for me: It often feels to me that I sort of "know" the musicians whose music I most love, as much as you can know someone whom you've never met! It feels like these are my buddies, who have seen me through the good and the bad in my life, with their songs. Know what I mean? As a result, I cannot just hear stories about them and be completely emotionally detached. I am happy for them when things are going well, and worried when they are sick or unhappy. And I just *hated* seeing a rift between my "buddies"! :-( In an effort to make sense of this rift, especially when it seemed like they were acting out of character, we may have gone overboard in some instances, reading into events. It still seems to me that somehow, somewhere, a misunderstanding between Steve and Jim started, and who knows where it stands now. I certainly hope that these old friends patch things up. They are really good partners musically, and I think that we would all lose out if they don't work together again in the future. I honestly enjoyed most of the Dave and Jim show, in no small part because that is all I was expecting! (I saw them very early in the tour, before the Tour War had broken out.) Frankly, if before getting to the venue I had known it was being called the "Traffic Co-Founders", "Traffic Revisited", Traffic ANYTHING, I don't know if I would've enjoyed it as much. I would've felt *horribly* cheated without Steve there. Seems like a great big bait-and-switch operation with that title. As a fan, who is *paying* to see them, I feel totally entitled to complain about this apparent misrepresentation, no matter who that opinion may anger. It doesn't imply that I think that any of them are bad people, or bad musicians, or that I don't like them anymore. It just means that it doesn't feel at all like Traffic without Steve there. And if this tour was really undertaken to gauge interest in an album as "Traffic" without Steve, well, a major portion of this "Fan" newsletter is against it. So, legalities aside, go do what you want, Jim and Dave, but if you *really* are interested in the opinions of your fans, well boys, you have it! Ok, you can all stop rolling your eyes. I'm done with this topic for good this time! ;-) Peace, Dawn 7*7*7*7*7*7*7*7*7*7*7*7*7 From: Winwoodie Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 20:22:59 EST Subject: Confounded co-founders I'm one of Traffic's biggest fans but this confounded "co-founders" concert sorely lacked the talents of the other two "co-founders". Steve Winwood is the voice of Traffic. (What a distinctive voice to be missing from any incarnation of this band). Dave Mason reproduced many of his solo career songs well but as good of a singer/guitarist as DM is he will never equal SW as a singer/guitarist. The keyboardist at the concert was average but certainly not a world class keyboardist like SW. Chris Wood's contributions to the songs were also ignored since they didn't have a sax/flute player. They did "Pearly Queen" & "40,000 Headmen" without a flute. Without the flute & SW's voice there is not much left to "40,000 Headmen". Both the 1994 Traffic concert & this "co-founders" concert started their sets with "Pearly Queen". The 1994 Traffic did "Pearly Queen" so powerfully. This "co-founders" version was weak mainly due to DM's unemotional delivery. One of the charms of seeing a Traffic or SW concert is when the musicians get up & change to a completely different kind of instrument. I only remember this happening once in this concert when Jim Capaldi did his acoustic version of "Low Spark". All night JC showed why he is still one of the greatest drummer/lyricists of all but if you close your eyes during his version of "Low Spark" you unmistakably hear Joe Cocker singing it. An acoustic version with SW's voice singing "Low Spark" would have been so much more pleasing to the ear. I didn't go to this concert to see Joe Cocker cover versions of every Traffic song they did. I think most people go to concerts to see songs performed pretty much the way they were recorded. I'm afraid some concert-goers may have actually thought they saw Traffic when they only saw half of Traffic. Presenting these great Traffic songs in a half-baked manner is unfair to this great music. Obviously I won't be buying any more "co-founder" tickets or any CDs (if they come out) unless they feature Steve Winwood. Craig 8*8*8*8*8*8*8*8*8*8*8*8*8 From: "Mary Katsikas" Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 16:51:02 EST Subject: Re: Dawns' Wish List Dawn gave her opinion on an unplugged album or even concert by the great SW. I AGREE TOTALLY. I, also, would love to see a concert special with Ray Charles and SW. That's my dream. Thanks. ------------------------------------------ END OF SMILING PHASES, VOL 126